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ed eve

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Posted: Mon 24 Mar 2008, 14:38 Post subject: sony a350 of Canon eos450 ?

hi all,
ik ben Ed, Engleman (excuses voor mijn Ned taal gebruik), 68jaar,
ik wil overschaakelen naar DSLR, liefs met Live-view mode, en heb mijn keus gericht op de Sony a350 of de Canon eos450. Sony heeft beeld stabilisatie in de body (canon in de lens) en daarom denk ik dat alle lensen zou dus goed koper zijn. Maar als een nieuweling in deze segment, en met met geen ouwe lensen in bezit, ik heb hulp ndig met een eventueel beslissing, wie kan mij hulpen , advice geven of verdere toelichten met dit dilemma?
Het is voor mij tenslotte een groot investering en ik ben daarom vezichtig met een besluit
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Posted: Mon 24 Mar 2008, 16:06 Post subject:

Hoi Ed,

Denk dat niemand er bezwaar tegen zal hebben als er engels wordt gebruikt Question

so here goes.

Perhaps you are aware of the fact the Canon 450D hasn't made it to the stores yet?, also there isn't a single (in depth) review of this camera to be found anywhere on the net (yet). There are some Sony A350 reviews though (Google search).

Being a Canon user I could immediately advise Canon to you but the new Sony DSLR's also seem to hold their ground. The in-body stabilizer is a very interesting feature however with the Canon brand there's (much!) more to choose from in the lens-department, especially considering supertele lense's. Sony has only so much to choose from in that area (pretty expensive too i.m.h.o.) and allthough there are lots of third-party lense's you could choose from (Sigma etc.) with a Sony-cam I wouldn't hesitate to put Canon in front when it comes to shooting birds.

The most important thing when considering a new cam might be your intention(s) with it. Guessing you want to use it for shooting birds (hence your post on a birders board) i'dd say go with Canon or Nikon for the versatility/diversaty sake in lense's (for both brands there's lots to be found in the occasion-department as well) for you will most probably end up with a somewhat more 'flexible' brand.

Regards, Ray

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Posted: Mon 24 Mar 2008, 16:59 Post subject: sony a350 of Canon eos450 ?

hi Ray,
thanks for the advice, however I am aware that the eos450 is not yet in the shops but I did see a report about the camera on the site letsgodigital. How much of this is unbiased reporting or manufacturer's claims is difficult to say, although all the specs seem encouraging and inviting.
A pal of mine has a Sony a100 and I must say I was mightily impressed with his results, hence my interest in the A350. I might add that I have used Nikons (nikkormat, FM and F3) for all of my 35mm years but sadly (foolishly) I sold the lot, so I am beginning again from scratch. So now that I am retired, cost is an important factor and therefore for the price the sony does seem to offer quite a lot
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Posted: Mon 24 Mar 2008, 18:00 Post subject: Re: sony a350 of Canon eos450 ?

ed eve wrote:

So now that I am retired, cost is an important factor and therefore for the price the sony does seem to offer quite a lot

Well, i guess when it comes down to features each brand offer enough to make you feel like a kid in a toystore but in reality its not so much about the features of the individual cams and all the more about the diversity and quality in the lens-department.

When you take all brands aside i'dd say you cant go wrong with buying a new DSLR no matter which system it represents but when it comes down to diversity/quality/price and (stable) marketvalue none of the other brands can tackle or get close to the marketleaders, i.e. Canon and Nikon.

The thing i was able to pick up from all the advise provided by the more experiënced photographers is that its of less concern how feature-rich a/the camera is. Its all the more of concern however how well the lens in front of it performs, as the latter will be the main deciding factor in the quest and your desire for great pictures.

So the conscensus is like this: choose the system from which you get the best choice in lense's, and thats obviously either Canon or Nikon by far. And then again you could, for instance, take a 1D Mark III (Canons topnotch-model) with a cheap lens mounted in front but without a doubt get far better pictures from an old budget consumer model (say a 300D) in combination with a piece of quality-glass.

In a nutshell its not about the feature-richness but all about the glass you put in front of it. Save yourself some money on the camera itself and invest it in a proper piece of glass. If budget is the biggest concern (it mostly is) i'dd say get a Canon 20D (8MB semi-pro cam which can be bought relativily cheap secondhand these days, around 400 EUR) and invest the few hundred saved in some better piece of glass (which could also be easily secondhand as the Canon secondhand-market is quite big and very 'alive').

If you do want to get a new cam perse I would opt the Canon system anyway, not because its supposed to be the best of the lot (while it might offer some of the best in quality still) but because of the huge (secondhand) market when it comes down to the glasswork, which is the most important factor in photography tech-wise by far.

Regards, Ray

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Posted: Mon 24 Mar 2008, 21:16 Post subject: sony a350 of Canon eos450 ?

hi Ray

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you really have given me much food for thought, and I appreciate exactly what you mean about the quality of the "glasswork" upfront. On that subject, do you think that it is necessary to use Canon lenses perse, or do you consider a cheaper alternative, such as the apo lenses from Sigma etc an acceptable option? Also do you think that image stabilisation options are worth the extra money?
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Posted: Mon 24 Mar 2008, 22:46 Post subject: Re: sony a350 of Canon eos450 ?

ed eve wrote:

On that subject, do you think that it is necessary to use Canon lenses perse, or do you consider a cheaper alternative, such as the apo lenses from Sigma etc an acceptable option? Also do you think that image stabilisation options are worth the extra money?

Well, it all depends on your needs as a photographer. For the IS (image stabilisation) matter: do you have steady hands or not ? If the latter is the case, IS will be of great benefit to you and really is a very nice feature (i prefer the word 'tool' really) to have, consider it a must if you have shaky hands. But if that is not the case and you can live without i wouldnt think much further about it and invest the saved-out money in better glass without hesitation.

To answer your other question is a bit more tricky. Sigma for instance has some very nice APO glass amongst its products but only a few of them are highly regarded and those will eventually also cost you to some extend and wont hold their marketvalue like their Canon counterparts. Then again there is competition between Sigma and Canon to some degree but in the end Canon wins handsdown (at the expense of higher costs) and will always be resellable for a very good price if you want to change optics (in the case say you want to switch from zoom to prime lense's or vice versa).

I would opt for Canon if your budget allows you to, you couldnt go wrong with that, and i would have to say (the higher-end) Sigma lense's if the Canon lense's arent doable for you budgetwise.

The important question in this matter remains offcourse: what budget are you on ?

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